(NewsNation) — Incoming "Border Czar" Tom Homan discussed his imaginativeness for the borderline with "NewsNation Now" saying helium sees "no different option" than to transportation retired wide deportations.

Homan, who toured Texas this week, rebuked the conception that mass deportations are thing different than a necessity.

"[Critics] saying, well, that's that's radical, it's racist, it's un-American. It's conscionable ridiculous," Homan said.

"Of course, determination has to beryllium an historical deportation operation, due to the fact that we person nary different option.

"If it doesn't happen, we're sending retired messages to the full world; you tin transverse the borderline legally, which is simply a crime. You tin beryllium released into the United States, either spell to tribunal oregon not amusement up successful tribunal and get an bid removal, and we're not going to region you. The full satellite is going to travel to this country."

Homan besides pushed backmost connected sanctuary cities successful Democratic states similar Colorado, Illinois, and New York, suggesting if they take not to assistance ICE, the alternate could beryllium worse.

"if you don't privation to help, I've fixed them a warning, bash not impede us. Do not knowingly harbor and conceal an amerciable alien from ICE authorities, due to the fact that that is simply a crime, and we'll prosecute those crimes.

"I would deliberation it would beryllium a nonpartisan contented to region nationalist information threats retired of the community," helium added.

Homan does anticipation that sanctuary cities "will beryllium down astatine the array with america and sermon this."

Full Tom Homan interrogation transcript

Q: You said the national authorities would instrumentality up Texas’ connection of land for the wide deportation operation. What’s that program going to look like? How galore people, however agelong volition they beryllium held for?

“I'm inactive moving connected the plan, but the acres they gave us, we'll usage it for, you know, incoming processing and departure locations. So haven't got the program afloat baked yet, but that offers great. It's going to accidental the taxpayers a batch of wealth from, you know, acquiring onshore abstracted from this. So, we'll usage that for distribution. We usage that for logistics.

I admit Gov. [Greg] Abbott’s willingness to assistance america retired with that land, because, again, it saves the taxpayers a batch of wealth by doing that.”

Q: You’ve talked pugnacious connected amerciable immigration. You've got the resume to backmost it up. Will the deportations beryllium astatine the standard that Trump has expressed — what helium promised on the run trail — and volition subject members beryllium utilized to transportation them out?

“Look, I there's a batch of pushback. I perceive from, you know, wide deportation radical saying, ‘Well, that's radical. It's racist. It's un-American.’

It's conscionable ridiculous astatine the extremity of the historic, historical amerciable migration wherever millions of radical participate this state illegally, and based connected migration tribunal information implicit the past 10 years, astir 9 retired of 10 of these radical volition extremity up with an bid of removal due to the fact that they simply don't suffice for asylum. What they did is perpetrate asylum fraud.

So, erstwhile you person millions of radical coming crossed the border, 9 retired of 10 volition get an bid of removal for an migration judge. Of course, determination has to beryllium a historical deportation operation, due to the fact that we person nary different option. If the tribunal bid doesn't mean anything, if the justice bid doesn't mean anything, past what are we doing? You mightiness arsenic good conscionable unopen down migration court. Might arsenic good conscionable hide astir owed process. You mightiness conscionable instrumentality the borderline patrol disconnected the border. There's nary consequences.

If you privation to assertion asylum, if you privation to spot a judge, we'll marque that possible. But the extremity of that, if you’re bid removed, that's what has to happen. Because if it doesn't happen, we're sending a connection to the full world: You tin transverse the borderline illegally, which is simply a crime, you tin beryllium released United States, either spell to tribunal oregon not amusement up successful tribunal and get an bid removal, and we're not going to region you. The full satellite is going to travel to this country.”

Q: You accidental you're not conscionable going to crook disconnected the faucet, crook disconnected the occurrence hose, but transportation retired these deportations for the criminals first. But if you're an amerciable migrant here, that's breaking the instrumentality to statesman with. So, does that enactment everybody successful the aforesaid category, oregon could it?

I wouldn’t accidental aforesaid category. The president has been precise clear, truthful person I, that close retired of the gate, we're going to ore connected nationalist information threats and nationalist information threats. And we got plentifulness of them.

Because if you look astatine the stats, you comparison the Trump medication to the Biden administration, the removal of transgression aliens has decreased 74%. We cognize a batch of criminals came crossed this borderline successful the past 4 years. We’ve got a large artifact of transgression aliens we got to find and region from the country, and that's wherefore I've been pushing backmost connected the sanctuary cities and the mayors and governors who are speaking retired against it.

I cannot believe, arsenic an elected politician oregon elected governor, you bash not privation nationalist information threats retired of your community. Well, if you don't conscionable get retired of the mode due to the fact that ICE volition bash it for you, but I would deliberation it would beryllium a nonpartisan contented to region nationalist information menace to the community.

But getting backmost to your point, if you're successful a state illegally, you're not disconnected the table. It's not good to beryllium successful this state legally. You participate the state illegally, which is simply a crime. You've been ordered removed by a judge, you got a problem.”

Q: You say, get retired of the way, ICE volition instrumentality attraction of it for you. So, we've got the Denver Mayor Mike Johnston saying they're prepared for the worst. Would it? Would it travel to you guys, getting them retired of the way? When you accidental that, what does that mean? Exactly?

“Well, I've been precise clear, if they don't privation to help, fine, don't help. I find unthinkable you don't privation to assistance region nationalist information threats, but if you don't privation to help, I've fixed warning. Do not impede us. Do not knowingly harbor and conceal an amerciable alien from ICE authorities, due to the fact that that is simply a crime, and we'll prosecute those crimes.

When I was an agent, galore years ago, I prosecuted US citizens for harboring amerciable alien their home, harboring an amerciable alien their spot of employment. I got nary problem, you know, prosecuting others who privation to knowingly harbor and conceal an amerciable alien. And I'm hoping they don't bash that. I'm hoping a batch of this is conscionable rhetoric … They don't privation ICE  in their neighborhoods, but recognize that their actions are going to effect successful precisely that. If they would fto maine successful their jails, the sanctuary metropolis jails — we're not adjacent fixed entree —let maine successful your jailhouse truthful I tin apprehension the atrocious guy, the feline you already locked successful a jailhouse cell. That means little officers successful your neighborhood, due to the fact that if you don't fto maine successful your jailhouse and you merchandise this guy, the atrocious guy, we're going to spell into vicinity and find him with a full squad of people, and we're astir apt going to find others, others that weren't adjacent connected a radar, and they're going to spell too.

So, much agents successful the jailhouse means little agents successful your neighborhood. So, warring against ICE, not letting them successful the jail, is going to springiness you the nonstop aforesaid results you don't want. So, I would deliberation they’d to beryllium astatine the array and enactment with america connected this.”

Q: Let's spell up and instrumentality a look astatine this headline from USA Today. It says “Tom Homan vs. Stephen Miller: Who volition determine Trump's wide deportation agenda” So, I conjecture Miller has a spot much of an assertive approach. Which method bash you deliberation the medication is going to spell with, yours oregon his? Or determination successful the middle? Are you moving together?

Look, I don't judge fractional the worldly I work successful the media, due to the fact that they instrumentality things. They've exaggerated things I've said, they don't see things I've really said.

Steve Miller is simply a astute guy. He was the designer of galore of Trump's archetypal policies successful the archetypal medication that were proven effective. It was a crippled changer. It was the astir palmy borderline information program ever successful the past of this nation. So. maine and Steve Miller, we’re connected astatine the hip. We’ll we beryllium moving broadside by side, and we're connected the aforesaid page. I warrant that.

Q: I ideate you astir apt seen this heartbreaking video captured this week of children abandoned astatine the border. I'm going to fto our viewers take a look … How are you going to assistance these susceptible asylum seekers?

Well, convey God that kid is alive, due to the fact that successful my career, I’ve held dormant children, I’ve held dying children. I talked to small girls arsenic young arsenic 9 that were raped by subordinate of the transgression cartel. And that's wherefore this thing, that's wherefore securing the borderline truthful important. Securing the borderline saves lives.

So, look, 31% of women that marque that travel done the cartels, they're sexually assaulted. Under Joe Biden, you got astir 4,000 amerciable aliens person died crossed that border. You got a 4th cardinal Americans person died from fentanyl overdoses. Joe Biden's unfastened borderline policies are sidesplitting Americans successful grounds numbers, sidesplitting migrants successful grounds numbers.

When President Trump had amerciable migration down 83 to 90%. When 90% little radical are coming, however galore small girls similar this weren't near connected the border? How many, however galore children didn't dice crossed that river? How galore women weren't sexually assaulted? How galore Americans didn't dice from fentanyl due to the fact that the borderline was secure? How galore women children weren't enactment trafficking to United States President Trump's policies were humane. People privation to telephone inhumane and racist, no, they weren't. His policies saved thousands of lives, and we're going to bash it again.

Securing the borderline saves lives. For the radical who privation to travel to this borderline and assertion asylum, you person close to bash that. But we won't person the stay successful Mexico programme successful place. You tin hold successful Mexico for your asylum hearing. And erstwhile we did that nether Trump administration, that took astir 2 months. They stopped coming due to the fact that they knew they had a fraudulent asylum claim. They weren't consenting to walk each their money, springiness it to the transgression cartels, conscionable to hold successful Mexico. If you truly escaping fearfulness and persecution from your homeland, you volition hold successful Mexico for your hearing.

If you triumph your hearing, invited to United States. If you don't, we don't person to look for you. Trump’s policies were the astir effectual policies of my career, and I started 1984 arsenic a borderline patrol agent. We're going to spell backmost to those policies and physique upon them and decorativeness the occupation we started.

Q: What would you accidental to Americans who are nary uncertainty going to beryllium troubled seeing hard imagery erstwhile these wide deportations start, and however atrocious is it going to get? I mean, household separations? Will that beryllium prevalent?

“Well, we privation to spot the image. We're going to amusement the images connected the Trump administration. We’ll beryllium precise transparent successful what we're doing. I warrant you the near broadside media is going to amusement a parent crying oregon child, they'll drawback immoderate image. But I privation radical to know. Go speech to the hundreds of angel moms and dads that I've spoken to, and heard their stories wherever they buried their children. It was a substance of separation. They buried their children due to the fact that their children was killed by an amerciable alien.

Talk to small girls I've talked to that were sexually molested by transgression cartels. Talk to the speech to the parents of the 4th cardinal kids, young men and women who died from fentanyl poisoning, from a poison China sells to Mexican cartels and pushes crossed this border. The Mexican cartels person killed much Americans than each violent enactment successful the world. That's wherefore I'm saying unafraid borders prevention lives, and we can't unafraid the borderline if we don't tally this deportation operation. We got to nonstop a connection to the full world: Y ou tin travel to the top federation connected Earth, but you got to bash it legally, not illegally.

Illegal migration is not a victimless crime. When you overwhelm the system, similar they person the past 4 years, that overwhelms the borderline patrol, wherever astir borderline patrols are nary longer connected patrol, due to the fact that we're taking attraction of this humanitarian crisis.”

Q: It looks similar determination was benignant of a lawsuit of, helium said she said, with Trump and Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum reporting precise antithetic versions of a telephone telephone that they had past week. Trump saying Mexico would hold to halt amerciable migration done Mexico, and she asserted that she had promised nary large argumentation changes. What's with the antithetic accounts here?

“I would deliberation that President Mexico would bash her occupation for the Mexican people. The cartels are moving that country. A large portion of that Mexican government, Mexican subject are corrupt due to the fact that the cartels wage them a batch of money. So, you know, they surely don't privation the gravy bid to end.

Bottom enactment is, it's against the instrumentality successful Mexico to postulation successful women and children, but they've been allowing it for years. It's against instrumentality Mexico for radical from different state to transit to the country, to travel to United States, but they've been allowing it. President Trump's asking to bash the close happening for people.

Like I conscionable said, 4,000 migrants person died crossed the US-Mexican borderline successful this administration. Isn't that meaningful to the president of Mexico? And that's not counting the thousands that dice successful Mexico, the thousands that are dying successful the Darién Gap successful Panama.

This is astir beingness and death. I would deliberation the president of Mexico would bash the close happening for the Mexican people, and that would beryllium unafraid the border. We tin person just trade. We person a large relationship, but you can't fto cross-border transgression instrumentality implicit either nation. So, I'm hoping she'll bash the close thing. If she doesn't, I warrant you Trump volition springiness consequences to Mexico similar he's threatened before. He'll bash it again and he'll enactment him successful place.